从悉尼大师发的壶看欧仿瓷

【编者按】在国外买瓷器,一不留神就买到欧仿瓷。当年西方人士崇拜中国瓷器,连仿品都做得惟妙惟肖。有些制工非常精良。所以我们要练就火眼金睛,才能分出欧仿瓷和中国出口瓷的区别,加以准确断代。

人在悉尼西:
有几把壶要拍了。

悉尼有几件东西就要拍卖,除一将军罐行,还有几件大家值得讨论。没有其它图,明天看,周日拍。

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(还有一批很小的图)

这图就给这么大了呵,大图下不了哈。这是有一百年历史的老拍卖行,这照片不行,不讨论了。介绍一下这边情况。最后的碗挺特殊呵,完全西人人物图案。

好茶:
悉爷,图实在太mini了,啥也看不清,最后那个碗是不是金属碗底?西人人物图案在外销瓷中蛮正常的哦,我前几天就发过一个大碗,口径28cm大概,是西人狩猎图案,仿乾隆的,再发一次让您看看,

老骨董:
第一件伊万里就算了吧,日本的总起不了价。那个将军罐看像不错,壶碗都有一看,就是价钱问题。

好茶:
古董爷早,我刚想说,第一个梅花图案的瓶蛮喜欢的,得,又是东洋,又该面壁了!

人在悉尼西:
明天只看壶,将军罐了。古董店竟标康熙,值钱了就往中国靠了,谢古老。有好的再照来看。

瓷底。很多金彩,欧仿的看不懂年代。

yinny自拍:
那个将军罐,像是famille verte的,若大就上万了。前辈这次还要为邻居们拍吗?

oriental-antique:
悉尼老师,那个将军罐有多大?个头要是大,全品在英国这边要800磅左右。

难得的糊涂:
将军罐看器形像清中期,但个人觉得太像那种有关僧人的说法了,心里有些糁得慌,还是那种真的像将军的将军罐好看。

有巢氏:
第一把壶18,第二把壶钮在西式壶上常见,最后一把壶比较日本。图太小,我打酱油路过胡说一句。

回家路:
第二个壶正宗18c外销。

小桥流水:
看好第二把壶,回家有经验!

有巢氏:
和回家兄弟讨论。单就型和钮,我觉得第二把壶是英国的。

小桥流水:
有姐说的对,网上找到英国worcester 的壶,颇有年代了。

这花色德国,法国,中国,英国甚至日本都用,真的很迷惑。

有巢氏:
第一把壶也有可能欧洲瓷

人在悉尼西:
罐没标年代,疑官上加官图案。看大图有蛤蜊光,器型,画工都好。今天陪八十多的书画协会会长忙一天,没去看上预展。第一,二,三壶标的是18世纪乾隆,前两壶盖花瓣纽是一样的。第四壶应有六字嘉庆刻款。仿木纹器。它们标的嘉靖,估计错了。这个西人鉴定家我见过,六十多了,英国学的亚洲鉴定,断代还很准。鬼子的东西要亲自上手看,他们标的不准。谢自拍,18兄,这罐42厘米高,标3000元,但看有没有人抢,这价定的偏低【仿的除外,看前一般不会先入为主预定真假】。现在照片看是同治彩。国内11年见到成交价4万人民币【这应是真实市场价了】,现在会超过这价,极精品有可能翻倍。骨灰罐见的都是豆绿釉,高丽的有字,素面多,也见有兰,梅图的。五彩的不是。可惜看不到图。

小桥流水:
1,2,3 茶壶标的1770年英国Worcester的,第4也是英国的,AN ENGLISH POTTERY WHIELDON-TYPE TORTOISE-SHELL TEAPOT, CIRCA 1770. – Earle D. Vandekar。网上找个worcester的老壶照片

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人在悉尼西:
小桥搜索能力超强呵,堪比宗姐。佩服。壶做的真精致。还是没弄懂,中仿英,英仿中?英瓷那个年代做的能这么精实属难得,一定去细看看,明天中午拍前应该还能看。精美的东西都会有潜质。

好茶:
英国在18世纪有几家瓷厂专门访中国瓷器,看图片很难分别的,

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好茶 replied 9 hours ago…

再上几张,真的晕倒,若追知识产权,我们就从瓷器追起。

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英国*Royal Worcester皇家伍斯特/瓷器

Royal Worcester 皇家伍斯特。是英格兰伍斯特郡制造的瓷器,几乎是家喻户晓的艺术瓷器。它始建于1751年受中国出口瓷影响,伍斯特郡制造厂仿造中国瓷器,那时期多以白底蓝花为主。1862年该厂改称为伍斯特皇家瓷器有限公司。伍斯特产品以手绘出名。它的瓷胎细腻,手工画有花卉鸟及动物为主。器皿内壁都上金色。值得一提的是瓷绘艺术家stinton史汀顿家族,都以画牦牛为主. henry stinton生于1805年,一生都为 皇家伍斯特瓷画由于早先瓷画工匠没有自己签名,所以没有作品记录,john stinton是第二代瓷绘艺术家,11岁便开始从事瓷绘至1895年退休。他创始用油画色渲染山色,富有层次,他画的牛细腻,造形生动而出名。有自己的签名。john的儿子harry stintion也是擅长画牛亦有签名, 在漫长的一佰伍十年间,这四代人都从事画山水和牛为生。由于画工精细,这类艺术瓷器极具收藏价值。

好茶:
国公爷,我后面发的图片据说是英国的new hall的仿中瓷器,您知道这个瓷器制造公司吗?

国公:
New Hall (1782-1835)

In 1782, a group of potters from Staffordshire acquired the patent to make hard paste porcelain from Richard Champion and the patent ran until 1796.

New Hall made a range of goods in both underglaze blue and polychrome decoration. In the 18thC the production consisted mainly of tea wares with fairly simple decoration.

In c1790 the firm introduced a system of pattern numbers which is helpful in identifying New Hall wares.

In c1814 when bone china was introduced, a change was made to the paste. The style of decoration also changed as fashion dictated the desire for more brightly decorated wares.

Marks other than pattern numbers are rarely found on New hall but sometimes after about 1815 the words New Hall appear within double concentric circles.

In 1835 an auction was held to dispose of all stock following the leasing of the factory premises.

好茶:
OK, I see, Thanks for your information

牛城地主:
谢国公兄分享资料!英国的骨瓷胎釉细腻,画工精美,都很养眼。早于骨瓷时的瓷器(应叫Pottery,非Porcelain)则没法看了,釉已崩裂,叩之声闷。18世纪时还是德国的瓷器最好。

人在悉尼西:
还是能看出来一些,味道不同,但这很容易混呵,误买呵,国内拍场的人恐怕见所未见呵。刚看个网上的物品,有没有这类瓷尼。

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这瓶坏了,可惜了,几十元,家里没地方放,这做标本很好了。

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好茶:
第一个有盖的粉彩罐是法国的.Samson?

人在悉尼西:
好茶看一看最后的图,也有一个这类瓶子,这算徽章瓷吗,相当中国的大约年代尼?这个欧瓷在你们那里大概价位知道吗?

牛城地主:
好茶说的对,第一个罐是法国Samson, 另一个坏了的也是。

人在悉尼西:
过去没注意,现在看的反倒都是这类瓷器,它总出现就和我有关了,要交流,我要弄清它们呵。

图只这一个,还没空去尼,好茶说说。

oriental-antique:
我这里有两个samson的瓶子,第一个是当乾隆徽章瓷买的,出了点血,现在想想:⊙﹏⊙b汗。另外一个大的是瞎买的,和那个第一图的31号瓶一样,但没有盖,大家猜个价?

小桥流水:
英伦兄,瓷器底部可有任何标识,比如impressed的符号,数字,日常所见的欧洲瓷器都有独特的标识,但不知大约从什么时候才开始的,很早的是不是没有记号?

好茶:
小桥,samson瓷器有时有标识,有时却和中国外销瓷一样无任何款识

小桥流水:
谢好茶,这samson太不厚道了,记得古董师说过samson仿的比中国还中国

悉尼大师的几个茶壶,网上,从欧洲到美洲价格从三百多到千二不等。。。。

oriental-antique:
回小乔,那个大瓶底部应该有标志,老外给磨下去了,有痕迹。估计是相当乾隆瓷出手。但那个小的罐没有任何标识,但修足能看出明显不同。

好茶:
小桥,我发几个samson底部标识,也好像仿中国字的,真的想想气人,哪一天我们追索知识产权。

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好茶:
悉爷,抱歉下午出门去了,没有及时回答老师提问,samson瓷也是欧瓷收藏之一吧,欧洲拍行也有拍的,我没买过samson瓷器,网上看了看,有个卖这个瓷的人这样描述:

“Samson’s ” Porcelain Urn with a Armorial Coat of Arms ”
Samson began his career by making service and set piece replacements in the late 1830s. In 1845 he opened the ceramics firm Samson, Edmé et Cie at 7, Rue Vendôme (later Rue Béranger) in Paris, with the intention of supplying reproductions of ceramics on display in museums and private collections. The factory was moved to Montreuil, Seine-Saint-Denis in 1864 by Samson’s son, Emile Samson (1837âe”1913). The firm either drew inspiration from other factories, or directly copied their pieces. Designs from the factories of Meissen, Sèvres, Chelsea, and Derby were among the reproductions Samson, Edmé et Cie produced, along with designs copied from and all the major factories of England, France and Germany.

During the eighteenth century, the market for fine china was considerable and Sampsonâe(tm)s firm reproduced ceramics in a breadth of styles including the faience and maiolica types of Italian pottery, Persian style dishes, Hispano-Moresque pottery (a blending of Islamic and European motifs, produced during the 13th to 15th centuries), plates in the FitzHugh pattern, as well as plates designed by his fellow Frenchmen, Bernard Palissy. Another frequent style copied by the Samson firm was the famille rose and famille verte styles produced in China between 1720 and 1790. Imari wares, named for the Japanese port w a type of richly decorated porcelain made at Arita was shipped, were also copied by Samson.
On the other hand, some Samson reproductions have only been detected by recognition of anachronistic details. Samson copies of Meissen pieces have passed for originals, since the blue underglaze âe~Ssâe(tm), Edmé et‘s mark, can be removed and substituted with false marks. Additionally, an 1880 reproduction piece by Samson, of a British East India Company armorial plate shows evidence of scratchings, perhaps in an attempt to erase the Samson mark and pass the plate off as an original. Further complicating authenticity, numerous reproductions of Chelsea and Derby figures bear marks other than his trademark âe~Ssâe(tm), and in some instances bear no mark at all.
Collector’s items
The Samson, Edmé et Cie company continued to produce and astounding amount of porcelain until 1969. The salesroom models were finally sold in 1979 by Christies, London. Today many of the Samsonâe(tm)s pieces are collectorsâe(tm) items. And ironically not all of the Samsons around are actually Samsons: some were actually produced by nd, although the nd mark (usually a shield with crossed paintbrushes) cannot be erased.

We are pleased to offer , Samson’s ” Porcelain ” A Urn with Armorial Coat of Arms , What a Wonderful colorful floral work up the sides like vines growing up the inside of the bowl.
It has a cross cords ( Psyudo ) mark after a Export China works re created by the French Porcelain-marker Edme Samson , Paris . This lovely urn stands at 11..50 inches tall , 6 inches wide at the widest point and and 4 inches deep , and in good condition .
E-Bayers take Note :
Works of the quality by Samson retails in the Retail galleries and on the net at $ 400.00 to $ 600.00 Range.

这个人卖的是这个,见图

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oriental-antique:
我把那个小的上传一下,大瓶没在手边,小乔要是想看图片过几天我再传。

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好茶:
另外找到2个,罐卖了290刀,盘卖了大概200刀.

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英伦,罐子还是蛮漂亮的,而且很典型。

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